Isaac Psalm Escoto

But He's Still SICKID

Interview by Evan Pricco // Portrait by Carlos Jaramillo

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto strikes an interesting balance between futurism and parody. His paintings perceive a city that is broken and, therefore, a very intriguing place in which to play. Most of us first encountered Isaac as SICKID, the prolific, bold graffiti writer who notoriously painted billboards around Los Angeles. His work felt distanced from the trope of graffiti as vandalism and far more connected to the concept that a playground could be many things in many places. He painted as if to say, “Well, if the city isn’t working for me, I’ll just see what I can do to make it work.” It wasn’t about making it better but more flexible. As a kid influenced by the sci-fi utopianism of anime and the dystopian vision of The Matrix, his version of Los Angeles wasn’t an expansive Ed Ruscha meets Baldessari vista of the West, but a portrayal of congestion, over-population and rundown freeways, a world where the frontier of America ends at the pile of dirty clothes on an East Hollywood bedroom floor. 
 
This past summer, Escoto enjoyed a raucous opening and rave reviews for his solo show, Gas Station Dinner, at Jeffrey Deitch Gallery in Los Angeles. Sneaking in through the backdoor on opening night (I can’t remember the last time I had to sneak into an art show with crowds spilling out from all entrances and exits), the show had the energy of a pre-social media Event. There was an avid buzz of love and community, an excitement of something new in the midst of what is already a bit of a Renaissance in California art. I had visited Escoto at Tlaloc Studios in South Central LA a few weeks prior at a new space his friend Ozzie Juarez gifted him to prepare for the show. A spatial leap from the walk-in closet studio at his mother’s house, it brimmed with the frantic buzz of creation. The paintings depicted what Escoto would call the broken dreams and the reality of first generation immigration, but also the irony of living in the shadow of the Hollywood sign.

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid
All images from Gas Station Dinner, Photos by Josh White.
Courtesy of the artist and Jeffrey Deitch, Los Angeles.
Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid

 

When I left his studio and walked into the opening, and well into the days following when we met at Deitch for the interview, I kept thinking about the idea of the “Gas Station Dinner.” I realized it was a name of collaboration and friendship, a wink to the reality of what the city really does offer its denizens—a city on the brink of extinction while simultaneously being more alive than ever. For years, SICKID roamed about LA, painting billboards with a view of the breaking, bustling, and overwrought businesses and apartments below. Now he looks at what’s happening inside. 
 
Evan Pricco: The opening of Gas Station Dinner had that sort of old-school energy that I remember from the best openings almost 20 years ago. Your friends helped out with the show, I assume, because of the scale of Jeffrey Deitch’s space. It’s almost like you need to have your friends and your community there to help because it would feel so lonely to make this ambitious vault by yourself.
Isaac Psalm Escoto: I was definitely smooth-brained during the whole installation. I finished the mural at around 4:30 the morning of the opening. That big wrestling painting, I finished that morning, too. But luckily the homies were able to help out: Guillaume Ollivier, Ozzie Juarez, and Natalia Lopez, all really talented painters. It's extremely lucky to have people who are down, you know what I mean? It's a gnarly thing putting together this type of show, trying to put out a body of work that's such a big deal to me. Doing it alone wouldn’t have worked.

For previous shows I’ve done, I was just popping Adderalls like a motherfucker—just like boom, boom, boom. For real, like M&Ms. And so this time around, I was just a bit more direct, and, although chaotic, the homies helped me so much. No gnawing of the jaw, which, personally, I'm very happy with.
 
I know you came and thought about how other people approached the space. It's high visibility; it's Deitch; it’s a grand space. For a graffiti writer who does billboards, I know you can navigate an area and place, but as a painter, this is different. 
I spent a lot of time going to shows and then to bookstores just to learn how artists use space. I felt like I needed a little bit of education on how to use a space to its fullest, and within the amount of time I had to do it. I had some room for play and experimentation, and I think that is why I did that huge mural, which seemed like a good idea until the 4 a.m. thing…  

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid

 

I have a theory.
I can’t wait to hear it… 
 
You have all these paintings that are all facing the mural, which, to me, has this perspective of you being up on a billboard looking out to the LA landscape, and that’s part of your life, all your experiences. The paintings behind you are like where you came from and who you became, and the mural is as if you are taking those experiences to a new vantage point. SICKID, known for his billboard graffiti, is looking over the city with his autobiographical paintings behind him, so it’s like a circular perspective of your life. That's how I see it.
It wasn’t until I started to sketch the mural out the week of install that it dawned on me, "Oh, this feels like a billboard.” And I wanted to use techniques that are a little bit more unique to me, like how I use rollers, and how I use gesture in painting. If this were to be a billboard, I wouldn't be able to use a ladder to go up and spray paint, so I made this with spray paint only at ground level and then roller up top to just convey the idea of distance. I wanted it to be authentic as to how I would do this illegally. 
 
And I think you are right. The show, but really this mural, is about my relationship to the city and what it means to be the child of immigrants in such a culturally vast place. I think that is at the heart of all my work—that and the relationship that I have to pop-culture and taking in stuff from 1980 and 90’s animation and video games—but all through that lens of being in LA as a child of immigrants. I was really into Akira, Ghost in the Shell, and The Matrix—a lot of that cyber futurism that was in at that time. 
 
Being the child of immigrants, there’s very much the multiplicity of many different cultures. And I think, maybe, you even questioned yourself as an adolescent, as in, “What am I? What am I supposed to be?” And here I was obsessed with Japanese culture and skateboarding. Like, what is it? Holding the telescope backwards a little bit, maybe this mural's a little bit of what it is to be American.
 
I’ve always seen your work as a sort of sci-fi dystopia, where the city is crumbling but also futuristic at the same time. You mention being first generation, so where are your parents from originally? 
My dad's from Guadalajara, Mexico. And my mom's from Guatemala City, Guatemala. They met here in LA in the 1970s. My dad was a retired pro boxer, but he needed to help his family and came to the States to work for a higher wage to send back. He met my mom at a shoe factory down the street from where they lived, our childhood home in East Hollywood.

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid
Mural painted for Gas Station Dinner, Jeffrey Deitch Gallery, 2024

 

I feel like a lot of your paintings are the reality of trying to make sense of the American Dream, but more in the sense of “Hey, wait, when does the dream start?"
I also took in a lot of the adult animation boom of the 1990s, like “The Simpsons,” “King of the Hill,” and “Beavis and Butt-Head” which are really satires of the American suburban dream. A parody of America, really. A lot of characters in my paintings are from that vantage point, a parody of American life and a spoof on reality. But I do it through the lens of biography. These characters are real in a sense. They are critiquing the whole idea of what it's like to "Make it." My work is really about the trials and tribulations of late American capitalism. And I create these underbelly-esque characters and scenarios that critique the whole idea of “work until you live the dream.”
 
What does Gas Station Dinner mean to you? 
There was a long list of names, but I feel like that one stuck out to me and my friends. They know me best, and maybe they thought it was authentic to me. In a way, a gas station dinner is  the fuel for the show. It’s that idea, and the reality, of just going to the liquor store around the block from the studio and multiple 7-Elevens and not spending a lot of money on food or not a lot of care in meal preparation, and how that becomes your de facto fuel for creativity. On the move, not thinking about much else. It’s about that camaraderie with your friends when you are making a show like this because we're doing it in the studio and we're surviving off of $8 meals every day.
 
It's also a play on the American context of dinner being so important and culturally significant. The idea that you sit with your family for dinner, or you go on dinner dates, or you have a dinner party with friends. That's a very intimate thing where people get to know each other, and it's something that I’m playing with in the title. A gas station dinner is something that is a little less romantic or a little less glorified. To have that as the name is a little bit of an ode to my friends and an ode to those times when you're down bad.
 
When did graffiti become part of your life? And did it make sense to you right away that this was a good way for you to find yourself?
I think just being a kid in a big city, you're prone to seeing and doing graffiti. I think it's just inevitable that you would come up with a tag. To me, it was just a part of the whole “dysfunction as hobby” part of childhood. You do kind of reckless stuff to keep from being bored—more about being “bad” than it was about going further into the world—that was graffiti. It was mostly to take up time, and it wasn’t about some sort of path I was on. 
 
You were the youngest of five kids. Did you grow up in a creative family?
We come from an artistic family, maybe not in the traditional sense, but I think my dad used art and drawing, not so much as expression but as a tool of draftsmanship and getting ideas across. I think my mom is the one with the good eye. My mom is the one who kind of has the taste in my family. She can curate anything and make it look good—a kitchen, the whole house. And she has this amazing skill where she knows good movies from bad movies. That might seem funny to say, but I think that is a skill, and not a lot of people can do that. So it was all sort of there for me, in its own way. 
 
I have three sisters and an older brother, and he grew up during the early 90’s comic book boom. That influenced me just by looking at the drawings, like The Crow and Spawn. And my sisters did a really good job of showing me early gateways into art. LA had a lot of places that weren't necessarily high-end. They weren’t necessarily on the radar of interest for my sisters or me, but there were a lot of places that could offer art to a wide crowd that were this gateway drug to art. If you wanted to go deeper, those places were good places. I’m thinking of Meltdown Comics, or Golden Apple Comics, these are the places that made me want to do art. 

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid
Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid

 

And you went to art school, right? 
I went to the Ramón C. Cortines School of Visual and Performing Arts (VAPA) for high school, which was a public high school that really catered to the arts. And afafterwards, went to Art Center in Pasadena. If you want to just deep-dive into the technique and the education of mark making, it’s absolutely the place to go. But I was 19 and perhaps not quite ready for it.
 
Did Sickid go to Art Center or did Isaac go to Art Center?
That’s a great question. I think Sickid went to Art Center. I’ve never heard it worded like that, but I was just 19, and I think I got frustrated being told what to do. 
 
We have interviewed you as Sickid before, but since the beginning of 2023, you have been using Isaac Escoto as your art name. Did that come with a feeling of relief, or do you miss the moniker?
The painting is putting some confidence in me to put myself out there more, and maybe that's a scary thing, but the two do feed each other. Doing illegal work still keeps me sharp, but I think it also keeps me informed on the content of the paintings. I'm not necessarily relieved, but I think there is a little bit of me that is following in the footsteps of people who have done it this way in the past. They do the two, and they're not so held to their graffiti name or ashamed of it. And they don't really divide. There is a world where they could be a Barry McGee and a TWIST, and that works. 
 
It was EARSNOT who said that “Graffiti artists pride themselves on being these Zorro guys, but really no one cares. You hide your face, but really, no one outside of this bubble gives a shit." That calmed me down. It made me feel like, “This is my tag. This is me. I'm here in this city. I'm fucking shit up. I'm tagging. This is my face, whatever." That was really liberating to hear and feel. 
 
Look, the cops are going to get you if they want to get you. You're not a terrorist who's bombing buildings. You know what I mean? You're just throwing paint around. So I think someone like EARSNOT saying that made me feel so less in my head. Show my face, be both SICKKID and  Isaac. 

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid

“Look, the cops are going to get you if they want to get you. You're not a terrorist who's bombing buildings. You know what I mean? You're just throwing paint around. .”

 

Do you feel like you are part of this sort of Renaissance moment in Los Angeles? And do you have a sense of why you think it’s happening? 
I do. I think mostly there's a lot of collaboration and there's a lot of different genres and mediums at play, all these different people advocating for and with each other. It isn’t just artists, but video artists, photographers, filmmakers, musicians, DJs, highbrow, lowbrow, backyard, blue chip—it’s all these things. You may be a great painter, but who is going to play music at the opening? Who is going to film it? Who is going to create a sick fucking flyer? There is so much to consider, and people are sharing and doing it with and for each other. There are definitely multiple notions of people advocating for this one thing. That is how Gas Station Dinner was made. 

 

Isaac Psalm Escoto: But He’s Still Sickid

 

So in that spirit, what is Isaac’s ideal dinner, gas station or not? 
Oh, I just stole this sandwich from Erewhon; do you want to share it?
 
Gas Station Dinner was on view at Jeffrey Deitch Gallery in Los Angeles this past summer. Follow Escoto at @sickid1 // This interview was originally published in our FALL 2024 Quarterly and conducted in late summer 2024.